Journals of the Senate
48 Elizabeth II, A.D. 1999, Canada
Journals of the Senate
Issue 154
Wednesday, September 8, 1999
2:00 p.m.
The Honourable Gildas L. Molgat, Speaker
The Members convened were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Angus, Atkins, Austin, Bacon, Beaudoin, Berntson, Bolduc, Bryden, Buchanan, Callbeck, Carney, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, De Bané, DeWare, Di Nino, Doody, Eyton, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finestone, Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Forrestall, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Ghitter, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Grimard, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Joyal, Kelleher, Kelly, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, LeBreton, Lewis, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mahovlich, Meighen, Mercier, Milne, Molgat, Moore, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Pearson, Pépin, Perrault, Perry (Poirier), Poulin (Charette), Poy, Prud'homme, Rivest, Roberge, Robertson, Robichaud, (Saint-Louis-de-Kent), Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, Ruck, Sibbeston, Sparrow, Spivak, Stewart, Stratton, Taylor, Tkachuk, Watt
The Members in attendance to business were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Angus, Atkins, Austin, Bacon, Beaudoin, Berntson, Bolduc, Bryden, Buchanan, Callbeck, Carney, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, De Bané, DeWare, Di Nino, Doody, Eyton, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finestone, Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Forrestall, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Ghitter, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Grimard, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Joyal, Kelleher, Kelly, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, LeBreton, Lewis, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mahovlich, Meighen, Mercier, Milne, Molgat, Moore, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Pearson, Pépin, Perrault, Perry (Poirier), Poulin (Charette), Poy, Prud'homme, Rivest, Roberge, Robertson, Robichaud , (Saint-Louis-de-Kent), Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, Ruck, Sibbeston, Sparrow, Spivak, Stewart, Stratton, Taylor, Tkachuk, Watt
PRAYERS
Tribute was paid to the memory of the Honourable Senator Lucier, whose death occurred July 23, 1999.
The Senate observed a minute of silence.
Tribute was paid to the memory of the Honourable Hédard-J. Robichaud, P.C., former Senator, whose death occurred August 16, 1999.
The Senate observed a minute of silence.
SENATORS' STATEMENTS
Some Honourable Senators made statements.DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Presentation of Petitions
The Honourable Senator Tkachuk presented petitions:Of Members of the Canadian Union of Postal Workers from across Canada concerning Bill C-78, An Act to establish the Public Sector Pension Investment Board, to amend the Public Service Superannuation Act, the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Superannuation Act, the Defence Services Pension Continuation Act, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Pension Continuation Act, the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and the Canada Post Corporation Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act.
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Bills
Third reading of Bill C-78, An Act to establish the Public Sector Pension Investment Board, to amend the Public Service Superannuation Act, the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Superannuation Act, the Defence Services Pension Continuation Act, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Pension Continuation Act, the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and the Canada Post Corporation Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act.The Honourable Senator Kirby moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Sibbeston, that the Bill be read the third time.
After debate, The Honourable Senator Stratton moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Oliver, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
OTHER BUSINESS
Senate Public Bills
Orders No. 1 to 3 were called and postponed until the next sitting.Commons Public Bills
Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.Reports of Committees
Orders No. 1 to 3 were called and postponed until the next sitting. Resuming debate on the consideration of the Report of the Subcommittee on Communications of the Standing Senate Committee on Transport and Communications entitled: "Wired to Win! Canada's Positioning Within The World's Technological Revolution", deposited with the Clerk of the Senate on May 28, 1999.After debate, The Honourable Senator Spivak for the Honourable Senator Johnson moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Cochrane, that further debate on consideration of the Report be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted. Orders No. 5 and 6 were called and postponed until the next sitting. Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Cochrane, for the adoption of the Fifteenth Report of Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology (Bill S-10, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, with an amendment) presented in the Senate on December 9, 1998.
After debate, The Honourable Senator Kinsella moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator DeWare:
That the original question be now put.
The question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following division:
YEAS
The Honourable Senators
Andreychuk , Atkins, Beaudoin, Bolduc, Buchanan, Carney, Cochrane, Comeau, DeWare, Di Nino, Forrestall, Ghitter, Grimard, Kelleher, Keon, Kinsella, LeBreton, Lynch-Staunton, Nolin, Oliver, Roberge, Robertson, Rossiter, Spivak, Stratton, Tkachuk-26NAYS
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Austin, Bryden, Callbeck, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Christensen, Cook, Cools, Corbin, De Bané, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finestone, Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Fraser, Furey, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Joyal, Kenny, Kolber, Kroft, Lewis, Losier-Cool, Maheu, Mahovlich, Mercier, Milne, Moore, Pearson, Pépin, Perrault, Perry (Poirier), Poulin, Poy, Prud'homme, Robichaud, (Saint-Louis-de-Kent), Roche, Rompkey, Ruck, Sibbeston, Sparrow, Stewart, Taylor, Watt-50ABSTENTIONS
The Honourable Senators
Nil
Pursuant to Rule 48(2) the main motion was dropped from the Orders of the Day.Order No. 8 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Other
Orders No. 74, 34, 76, 78, 73 (inquiries), 118 (motion), 63, 47 (inquiries), 145 (motion) 65, 79, 82 (inquiries), 143, 127 (motions), 49, 81 (inquiries), 114 (motion), 68, 50 and 64 (inquiries) were called and postponed until the next sitting.Order No. 61 (inquiry) was called and pursuant to Rule 27(3) was dropped from the Order Paper.
Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Kinsella calling the attention of the Senate to the Responses to the Supplementary Questions emitted by the United Nations Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights on Canada's Third Report on the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights.After debate, Further debate on the inquiry was adjourned until the next sitting in the name of the Honourable Senator Andreychuk.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Lynch-Staunton, seconded by the Honourable Senator Berntson:That a Special Committee of the Senate be appointed to examine and report on the manner in which the chain of command of the Canadian Forces both in-theatre and at National Defence Headquarters, responded to the operational, disciplinary, decision-making and administrative problems encountered during the Somalia deployment to the extent that these matters have not been examined by the Commission of Inquiry into the Deployment of Canadian Forces to Somalia;
That the Committee in examining these issues may call witnesses from whom it believes it may obtain evidence relevant to these matters including but not limited to:1. former Ministers of National Defence;
2. the then Deputy Minister of National Defence;3. the then Acting Chief of Staff of the Minister of National Defence;
4. the then special advisor to the Minister of National Defence (M. Campbell);5. the then special advisor to the Minister of National Defence (J. Dixon);
6. the persons occupying the position of Judge Advocate General during the relevant period;7 the then Deputy Judge Advocate General (litigation); and
8. the then Chief of Defence Staff and Deputy Chief of Defence Staff.That seven Senators, nominated by the Committee of Selection act as members of the Special Committee, and that three members constitute a quorum;
That the Committee have power to send for persons, papers and records, to examine witnesses under oath, to report from time to time and to print such papers and evidence from day to day as may be ordered by the Committee;That the Committee have power to authorize television and radio broadcasting, as it deems appropriate, of any or all of its proceedings;
That the Committee have the power to engage the services of such counsel and other professional, technical, clerical and other personnel as may be necessary for the purposes of its examination;That the political parties represented on the Special Committee be granted allocations for expert assistance with the work of the Committee;
That it be empowered to adjourn from place to place within and outside Canada;That the Committee have the power to sit during sittings and adjournments of the Senate;
That the Committee submit its report not later than one year from the date of it being constituted, provided that if the Senate is not sitting, the report will be deemed submitted on the day such report is deposited with the Clerk of the Senate; andThat the Special Committee include in its report, its findings and recommendations regarding the structure, functioning and operational effectiveness of National Defence Headquarters, the relationship between the military and civilian components of NDHQ, and the relationship among the Deputy Minister of Defence, the Chief of Defence Staff and the Minister of National Defence,
And on the motion in amendment of the Honourable Senator Forrestall, seconded by the Honourable Senator Beaudoin, that the motion be amended by adding in paragraph 2 the following:"9. the present Minister of National Defence.".After debate, In amendment, the Honourable Senator Atkins moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator DeWare, that the motion be amended by adding the following after clause number 8:
That the Committee also examine and report on allegations that Canadian Forces personnel were exposed to toxic substances in Croatia between 1993 and 1995, the alleged destruction of service personnel medical records, and actions by the chain of command in theatre and in National Defence Headquarters in responding to these issues;
That the Committee in examining these issues may call upon witnesses from whom it believes it may obtain evidence relevant to these matters including, but not limited to, the Minister of National Defence;"A Point of Order was raised as to the acceptability of the motion in amendment.
Debate.SPEAKER'S RULING
I have reread the main motion carefully. I agree that the main motion deals specifically with the Somalia deployment. It does indeed say:...the Canadian Forces both in-theatre and at National Defence Headquarters, responded to the operational, disciplinary, decision-making and administrative problems encountered during the Somalia deployment to the extent that these matters have not been examined by the Commission of Inquiry into the Deployment of Canadian Forces to Somalia;To bring in Croatia would, I think, fall outside of the main motion.
I, therefore, declare the amendment out of order.
The Honourable Senator Atkins moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator DeWare, that further debate on the motion in amendment of the Honourable Senator Forrestall be adjourned until the next sitting.The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE
Pursuant to the Order adopted yesterday, the Senate proceeded to the consideration of the question of privilege of the Honourable Senator Kinsella in respect to a witness who appeared before the Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry.After debate. The Speaker reserved his decision.
With leave of the Senate, The Honourable Senator Kinsella tabled the following:Letter to the Honourable Senator Kinsella from Dr. Shiv Chopra dated August 19, 1999. (English text)-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1274S.
REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 28(2):
Report of the Auditor General of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1234.Reports of the International Development Research Centre required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1235.
Report of the Canada Labour Relations Board for the period April 1, 1997 to December 31, 1998, pursuant to the Canada Labour Code, R.S.C. 1985, c. L-2, sbs. 121(1).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1236.Reports of the Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1237.
Reports of the Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Québec required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2). -Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1238.Report of the Canadian Transportation Agency for the year ended December 31, 1998, pursuant to the Canada Transportation Act, S.C. 1996, c. 10, sbs. 42(1).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1239.
Reports of the Canadian Transportation Agency required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1240.Report of the Civil Aviation Tribunal for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Aeronautics Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. 33 (1st Supp.), s. 35.-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1241.
Reports of the Jacques Cartier and Champlain Bridges Incorporation required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1242.Reports of the Seaway International Bridge Corporation Ltd. required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1243.
Reports of the Atlantic Pilotage Authority required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1244.Reports of the Department of Canadian Heritage required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1245.
Reports of the Canada Information Office required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1246.Summaries of the Corporate Plan for the period 1999-2000 to 2003-04 and of the Capital and Operating Budgets for 1999-2000 of Defence Construction (1951) Limited, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1247.
Report on the Canada-Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Resources Accord Implementation Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Canada-Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Resources Accord Implementation Act, S.C. 1988, c. 28, ss. 231 and 238.-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1248.Report on the administration of the Canada Petroleum Resources Act for the year 1998, pursuant to the Canada Petroleum Resources Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. 36 (2nd Supp.), s. 109. -Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1249.
Report of the Canada-Newfoundland Offshore Petroleum Board, together with the Auditors' Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Canada-Newfoundland Atlantic Accord Implementation Act, S.C. 1987, c. 3, sbs. 29(3). -Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1250.Report of the Canada-Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Board, together with the Auditors' Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Canada-Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Resources Accord Implementation Act, S.C. 1988, c. 28, sbs. 30(3).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1251.
Reports of the Canada-Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Board required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1252.Reports of the Department of Natural Resources required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1253.
Reports of the National Energy Board required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1254.Reports of the Atomic Energy Control Board required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1255.
Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 1999-2000 to 2003-04 and of the Capital and Operating Budgets for 1999-2000 of the Cape Breton Development Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4). -Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1256.Report of the Standards Council of Canada, together with the Auditor General's report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 150(1).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1257.
Report of the Lobbyists Code of Conduct for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to An Act to amend the Lobbyists Registration Act and to make amendments to other Acts, S.C. 1995, c. 12, s. 5.-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1258.Report on the administration of the Lobbyists Registration Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Lobbyists Registration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. 44 (4th Supp.), sbs. 11(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1259.
Reports of Statistics Canada required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1260.Reports of the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1261.
Reports of the Business Development Bank of Canada required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1262.Reports of the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1263.
Report on the review of the Export Development Act, pursuant to the Act to amend the Export Development Act, S.C. 1993, c. 26, s. 25.-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1264.Reports of the Canadian Commercial Corporation required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1265.
Report of the Canada Deposit Insurance Corporation, together with the Auditor General's report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 150(1).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1266.Report of the Canadian International Trade Tribunal entitled "Review of Recommendation regarding certain ring-spun yarns", dated June 18, 1999, pursuant to the Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act, S.C. 1988, c. 65, s. 54. -Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1267.
Report of the Canadian International Trade Tribunal entitled "Request for Tariff Relief by Jones Apparel Group Canada Inc. regarding rayon/polyester woven fabrics", dated July 8, 1999, pursuant to the Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act, S.C. 1988, c. 65, s. 54.-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1268.Report of the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board for the period October 1, 1998 to March 31, 1999, pursuant to An Act to establish the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board and to amend the Canada Pension Plan and the Old Age Security Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, S.C. 1997, c. 40, sbs. 51(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1269.
Reports of the Bank of Canada required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1270.Reports of the Canada Deposit Insurance Corporation required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1271.
Report of the Law Commission of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Act respecting the Law Commission of Canada, S.C. 1996, c. 9, s. 24.-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1272.Reports of the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency required by the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act for the period ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Access to Information Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-1, sbs. 72(2) and the Privacy Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-21, sbs. 72(2).-Sessional Paper No. 1/36-1273.
ADJOURNMENT
The Honourable Senator Carstairs moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Perry (Poirier):That the Senate do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.________________________________________
Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 85(4)
Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural ResourcesThe names of the Honourable Senators Kenny, Fitzpatrick and Kroft substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Cook, Hervieux-Payette and Poulin (September 7).
The name of the Honourable Senator Finestone substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Chalifoux (September 8).